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Kael'thas Confronts Arthas & Kel'thuzad [World of Warcraft: Shadowlands Lore]
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Date: 2023-11-25
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Thanks for posting this stuff. I've been dying to find out what they do to Kael'thas now. I really, truly love this game, but I am about to cut myself over the sloppy writing. I love how we establish in the Venthyr campaign that greed was not Kael's sin, then his sin-stone reads that he is greedy anyway. The writing teams have really shat on Kael'thas and I am thankful they have tried to inject him back in to try to wrap up and resolve that sloppy writing, but they either need to stop or actually give him justice, this half-attempt where he's emasculated is killing me. Maybe its just me - i feel like they even emasculate Thrall in this expansion. The retconned Kael from a shy, humble, benevolent prince to a mustachioed tyrant the moment he touched Outland, and now they-ve retconned him again as a petulant snob and spoiled brat in SL. For those that don't know the history, Kael'thas is a hero. He was studying in Dalaran when Arthas killed his father. He is a shy, benevolent, caring prince. He raced home and blew up the Sunwell to stop the scourge from pouring through, saving the Eastern Kingdoms but sentencing his own people to mana starvation. Boats of fleeing belf children were sunk and 90% of his people were slaughtered. He moved to strike back at the scourge with his last handful of fighters and Garithos, the epic racist who hates all who are non-human, sent him alone to face impending doom knowing he would be overwhelmed and perish. The Naga Vashj shows up and offers aide and together, Vashj and Kael'thas forces are successful against the scourge. Garithos is displeased by this and now has the excuse he's needed to eradicate Kael. He deems Kael a traitor for working with the Naga, of course he despises the Naga also, and uses this a justification to throw Kael and his men in prison to rot for the next thousand or so years, or however long belfs live. Luckily Vashj breaks Kael out of jail, but at this point his people are dying without their sunwell. He writes of his hesitation to make a pact with Illidan to save his people, considering it a necessary evil, but then he and his people are considered traitors for that and that's how belfs joined the Horde. Then we got the Retcon. The moment Kael sets a toe in Outland he is suddenly a mustachioed villian who turns on his people and is fully corrupted. Even though we have Void elves and Illidari demon hunters who are totally okay with demonic energy now, even though we have Illidan who is a legend now, even though Illidan had a castle of slaves and concubines and we sat through a whole expansion getting lectured by holy characters for going after Illidan with hate in our hearts, Illidan who blows up a Naaru and even the high prophet himself doesn't blink an eye. Thats all fine, but Kael? Nope, he has to go to hell and get spanked and emasculated for who knows how many eons. He doesn't even get to see Vashj. Mind you she doesn't get spanked for eons, she goes straight to Maldraxxus to have some fun. We even have Sylvanas now saying no one had freedom or a choice in life so why is Kael being the only one punished for what he couldn-t control? This writing is awful. (Blood elves without their sunwell are wretched. Nightborne without their nightwell are withered. There was even a Nightborne boss we had to fight in a raid who thought she had to side with the legion to save her people, sound familiar? Rinse and repeat. Don't get me wrong, I love the universe, but the writing team needs to consist of people who care about the warcraft universe and its characters and who have the talent and creativity to handle it) The Retcon of Kael'thas the moment he touched Outland was sloppy, he was used as a prop to make a quick dramatic story. If you get the Artifact weapon, Felo'melorn, you get to read 1 page about how Kael reforged it (his father's sword) and how he fought Arthas with it over and over and over, countless times, and neither could best the other, but in the entire wrath of the lich king we don't get a glimpse of that, only that Sylvanas is the brave hero that dare go after Arthas. At least the teams at Blizzard cared enough to bring him back in the blood elf heritage armor quest to give you a glimpse of who he really was. And I'm thankful they tried to incorporate him into the new story in Shadowlands, but all they've done is deny his justice and torment him for the retconning while everyone else is skipping around like its a Disney story. I'm afraid at this point the next thing we will see is that Sylvanas is a hero who just had to kill her own to give us freedom from fate and everyone will be happy and good is evil and evil is good, but still fcvk Kael right? He alone will still magically just have to pay for crap he had no choice in and awful writing with no resolution, no justice, nothing. They couldnt even let him play a hand in taking out Kel'Thuzad. He doesn-t even get to launch a single fireball at that lich, who we-ve killed what 4 times? He just has to forgo everything and sit there and be sorry. Tyrande pops up out of nowhere and is totes fine. Ysera gets a whole redemption story but Kael is spanked like a petulant child, an uttery mockery of who he is before the retcon. I am sticking with my head cannon that he made a humunculous of himself and actually peaced out from WoW years ago and went on to Dota2 as the Invoker (who is based off Carl / Kael) to do something more sensible with his eons of knowledge and time. I love WoW and will probably always play it, but I will never stop calling out this horsecrap.
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Thanks for posting this stuff. I've been dying to find out what they do to Kael'thas now. I really, truly love this game, but I am about to cut myself over the sloppy writing. I love how we establish in the Venthyr campaign that greed was not Kael's sin, then his sin-stone reads that he is greedy anyway. The writing teams have really shat on Kael'thas and I am thankful they have tried to inject him back in to try to wrap up and resolve that sloppy writing, but they either need to stop or actually give him justice, this half-attempt where he's emasculated is killing me. Maybe its just me - i feel like they even emasculate Thrall in this expansion. The retconned Kael from a shy, humble, benevolent prince to a mustachioed tyrant the moment he touched Outland, and now they-ve retconned him again as a petulant snob and spoiled brat in SL. For those that don't know the history, Kael'thas is a hero. He was studying in Dalaran when Arthas killed his father. He is a shy, benevolent, caring prince. He raced home and blew up the Sunwell to stop the scourge from pouring through, saving the Eastern Kingdoms but sentencing his own people to mana starvation. Boats of fleeing belf children were sunk and 90% of his people were slaughtered. He moved to strike back at the scourge with his last handful of fighters and Garithos, the epic racist who hates all who are non-human, sent him alone to face impending doom knowing he would be overwhelmed and perish. The Naga Vashj shows up and offers aide and together, Vashj and Kael'thas forces are successful against the scourge. Garithos is displeased by this and now has the excuse he's needed to eradicate Kael. He deems Kael a traitor for working with the Naga, of course he despises the Naga also, and uses this a justification to throw Kael and his men in prison to rot for the next thousand or so years, or however long belfs live. Luckily Vashj breaks Kael out of jail, but at this point his people are dying without their sunwell. He writes of his hesitation to make a pact with Illidan to save his people, considering it a necessary evil, but then he and his people are considered traitors for that and that's how belfs joined the Horde. Then we got the Retcon. The moment Kael sets a toe in Outland he is suddenly a mustachioed villian who turns on his people and is fully corrupted. Even though we have Void elves and Illidari demon hunters who are totally okay with demonic energy now, even though we have Illidan who is a legend now, even though Illidan had a castle of slaves and concubines and we sat through a whole expansion getting lectured by holy characters for going after Illidan with hate in our hearts, Illidan who blows up a Naaru and even the high prophet himself doesn't blink an eye. Thats all fine, but Kael? Nope, he has to go to hell and get spanked and emasculated for who knows how many eons. He doesn't even get to see Vashj. Mind you she doesn't get spanked for eons, she goes straight to Maldraxxus to have some fun. We even have Sylvanas now saying no one had freedom or a choice in life so why is Kael being the only one punished for what he couldn-t control? This writing is awful. (Blood elves without their sunwell are wretched. Nightborne without their nightwell are withered. There was even a Nightborne boss we had to fight in a raid who thought she had to side with the legion to save her people, sound familiar? Rinse and repeat. Don't get me wrong, I love the universe, but the writing team needs to consist of people who care about the warcraft universe and its characters and who have the talent and creativity to handle it) The Retcon of Kael'thas the moment he touched Outland was sloppy, he was used as a prop to make a quick dramatic story. If you get the Artifact weapon, Felo'melorn, you get to read 1 page about how Kael reforged it (his father's sword) and how he fought Arthas with it over and over and over, countless times, and neither could best the other, but in the entire wrath of the lich king we don't get a glimpse of that, only that Sylvanas is the brave hero that dare go after Arthas. At least the teams at Blizzard cared enough to bring him back in the blood elf heritage armor quest to give you a glimpse of who he really was. And I'm thankful they tried to incorporate him into the new story in Shadowlands, but all they've done is deny his justice and torment him for the retconning while everyone else is skipping around like its a Disney story. I'm afraid at this point the next thing we will see is that Sylvanas is a hero who just had to kill her own to give us freedom from fate and everyone will be happy and good is evil and evil is good, but still fcvk Kael right? He alone will still magically just have to pay for crap he had no choice in and awful writing with no resolution, no justice, nothing. They couldnt even let him play a hand in taking out Kel'Thuzad. He doesn-t even get to launch a single fireball at that lich, who we-ve killed what 4 times? He just has to forgo everything and sit there and be sorry. Tyrande pops up out of nowhere and is totes fine. Ysera gets a whole redemption story but Kael is spanked like a petulant child, an uttery mockery of who he is before the retcon. I am sticking with my head cannon that he made a humunculous of himself and actually peaced out from WoW years ago and went on to Dota2 as the Invoker (who is based off Carl / Kael) to do something more sensible with his eons of knowledge and time. I love WoW and will probably always play it, but I will never stop calling out this horsecrap.
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Yevgeny
It feels like this character was downgraded entirely.
In WC3, Kaelthas used to be a ruler of a fallen nation who was betrayed by his allies and had to make questionable alliances to save his people. He didn't like it but he had to strike a deal with the devil.
In WOW: BC he was made an intermediate villain with maniacal attitudes which totally ruined his character.
In WOW: Shadowlands he is being redeemed, but this redemption portrays him as some kind of a spoiled prince who barks about his status and wants obedience.
WHY!
This entire arc feels unnatural, somewhat forced.
Don't get me wrong, I do think he could have been a great villain, but not like that. He could've been more like Solas from Dragon Age Inquisition or Meredith from Dragon Age 2, or like Grom Hellscream from WC3, or like Kain from Legacy of Kain. Or even Arthas. It would be great to see how Kaelthas realizes he is becoming much like his arch-nemesis.
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It feels like this character was downgraded entirely.
In WC3, Kaelthas used to be a ruler of a fallen nation who was betrayed by his allies and had to make questionable alliances to save his people. He didn't like it but he had to strike a deal with the devil.
In WOW: BC he was made an intermediate villain with maniacal attitudes which totally ruined his character.
In WOW: Shadowlands he is being redeemed, but this redemption portrays him as some kind of a spoiled prince who barks about his status and wants obedience.
WHY!
This entire arc feels unnatural, somewhat forced.
Don't get me wrong, I do think he could have been a great villain, but not like that. He could've been more like Solas from Dragon Age Inquisition or Meredith from Dragon Age 2, or like Grom Hellscream from WC3, or like Kain from Legacy of Kain. Or even Arthas. It would be great to see how Kaelthas realizes he is becoming much like his arch-nemesis.
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Asmongold's
Everyone going on about Kael in Warcraft 3 vs WoW being two different characters. -ABSOLUTELY-!
Have any of you suffered so hotribly that it traumatized you? I can guarantee 100% that it does. You look bavk after a few decades or longer and don't recognize who you were. Whether it be a memory or an old video of yourself that you witness your former personalty, you simply are a stranger to yourself.
So Chris Metzen zeroed in on that and nailed it. Look at ALL thw stories and movies we have seen where a former hero or good-guy turned evil due to attempts of good deeds that corrupted their souls by consequence. They became twisted and unrecognizable.
So, -WC3 and WoW Kael are 2 different characters- is an -EXTREMELY- obtuse, ignorant and narrow-minded way to think about the lore written and the manner it was. Kale'Thas has evolves PRECISELY the way he should've to begin with.
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Everyone going on about Kael in Warcraft 3 vs WoW being two different characters. -ABSOLUTELY-!
Have any of you suffered so hotribly that it traumatized you? I can guarantee 100% that it does. You look bavk after a few decades or longer and don't recognize who you were. Whether it be a memory or an old video of yourself that you witness your former personalty, you simply are a stranger to yourself.
So Chris Metzen zeroed in on that and nailed it. Look at ALL thw stories and movies we have seen where a former hero or good-guy turned evil due to attempts of good deeds that corrupted their souls by consequence. They became twisted and unrecognizable.
So, -WC3 and WoW Kael are 2 different characters- is an -EXTREMELY- obtuse, ignorant and narrow-minded way to think about the lore written and the manner it was. Kale'Thas has evolves PRECISELY the way he should've to begin with.
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And
You should also include the Blood Elf Heritage Armor stuff where Kael is like his real WC3 self and blows up the sunwell to save everyone. And you should include the Felo'melorn text of how he fought Arthas endlessly over and over again. :(: :weeps: : i could cut myself over what their twice retconning of him. It really disturbs me. I am legit depressed about it. I love your video, don't take me the wrong way, I'm just so heartbroken at what they did to him
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You should also include the Blood Elf Heritage Armor stuff where Kael is like his real WC3 self and blows up the sunwell to save everyone. And you should include the Felo'melorn text of how he fought Arthas endlessly over and over again. :(: :weeps: : i could cut myself over what their twice retconning of him. It really disturbs me. I am legit depressed about it. I love your video, don't take me the wrong way, I'm just so heartbroken at what they did to him
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Richard
Calling it now, as part of our attempts to reform him the Accuser would have Keal come with us on a fieldtrip to the Maw. He tries to find Kel'thuzad only for us to run across Arthas instead who at this point would be an powerful and fanatical servant of the Jailer who utterly destroys the Sun Prince and we have to explain to the Accuser that the person she wanted to redeem had lost his head. -The. final. setback. -
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Calling it now, as part of our attempts to reform him the Accuser would have Keal come with us on a fieldtrip to the Maw. He tries to find Kel'thuzad only for us to run across Arthas instead who at this point would be an powerful and fanatical servant of the Jailer who utterly destroys the Sun Prince and we have to explain to the Accuser that the person she wanted to redeem had lost his head. -The. final. setback. -
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Jao
Kael'thalas in wc3 has no sign of any arrogance he is a kind price doing his best to save his people even bowing to a human just to save them he trow his pride for the sake of his people while in wow he is a power hunger character arrogant and will never bow to a human very disappointing if we have him as the blood elf king he will be a big sign of hope for all.
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Kael'thalas in wc3 has no sign of any arrogance he is a kind price doing his best to save his people even bowing to a human just to save them he trow his pride for the sake of his people while in wow he is a power hunger character arrogant and will never bow to a human very disappointing if we have him as the blood elf king he will be a big sign of hope for all.
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Ryu
Again like the voice actor who did Kael in WC3 did way much better than the voice actor in WoW like they really should've kept the original voice actors and actress like I like that they kept the actor and actress who did Thrall, Maiev, and Tyrande but I need more of the original voice actor back like the actress who did Jaina and Sylvanas. -
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Again like the voice actor who did Kael in WC3 did way much better than the voice actor in WoW like they really should've kept the original voice actors and actress like I like that they kept the actor and actress who did Thrall, Maiev, and Tyrande but I need more of the original voice actor back like the actress who did Jaina and Sylvanas. -
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Katt
This is so inaccurate. This is such a mess it's like the writers of Shadowlands lore haven't the slightest idea about KT's original story, a shame. He was neither motivated by greed or hunger for power; he did everything necessary to save the Blood Elves.
Shadowlands basically ruined most characters for me: /to
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This is so inaccurate. This is such a mess it's like the writers of Shadowlands lore haven't the slightest idea about KT's original story, a shame. He was neither motivated by greed or hunger for power; he did everything necessary to save the Blood Elves.
Shadowlands basically ruined most characters for me: /to
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Oluf
Kael'thas should be redeemed and returned to Azeorth to take up his rightful place as King of Quel'thalas. All considered, if they redeem Sylvanas and she gets to leave the Shadowlands after this, despite her being dead, then all logic and reasoning is thrown out the window anyway
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Kael'thas should be redeemed and returned to Azeorth to take up his rightful place as King of Quel'thalas. All considered, if they redeem Sylvanas and she gets to leave the Shadowlands after this, despite her being dead, then all logic and reasoning is thrown out the window anyway
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habalula15
God that was hard to endure. they really made one of the best characters in wow into a pathetic excuse of a character. and by They i dont mean that wierd feminst in the game but the actual feminist writer who really doesnt understand human motives
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God that was hard to endure. they really made one of the best characters in wow into a pathetic excuse of a character. and by They i dont mean that wierd feminst in the game but the actual feminist writer who really doesnt understand human motives
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Zidneya
The Accuser: Kael'thas corrupted his people!
The warlocks at the Sanctum in Silvermoon City have left the chat.
Kael'thas: mercy is a weakness!
Cobra Kai fans have left the chat.
(I couldn't pick so I posted both)
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The Accuser: Kael'thas corrupted his people!
The warlocks at the Sanctum in Silvermoon City have left the chat.
Kael'thas: mercy is a weakness!
Cobra Kai fans have left the chat.
(I couldn't pick so I posted both)
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Danterik
I like how Arthas basically shaped the entire WoW lore since The Frozen Throne. He had his cold hands involved in nearly everything. Not an expansion goes by without some Arthas references or mentions.
Best character ever.
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I like how Arthas basically shaped the entire WoW lore since The Frozen Throne. He had his cold hands involved in nearly everything. Not an expansion goes by without some Arthas references or mentions.
Best character ever.
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cCcCcCountered
how do they know and accuse him of fearing the lichking. but everybody else in the shadowlands was disturbed to discover that the power of the maw --the lichking-- was out of the maw killing people for the jailer? LOL
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how do they know and accuse him of fearing the lichking. but everybody else in the shadowlands was disturbed to discover that the power of the maw --the lichking-- was out of the maw killing people for the jailer? LOL
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Joeblow
Blizz really has no idea what they want to do this with guy and its so disappointing. Quinton Flynn is such a good voice actor and he used to do Kael'thas' voice so well. why did they make him sound so goofy in shadowlands
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Blizz really has no idea what they want to do this with guy and its so disappointing. Quinton Flynn is such a good voice actor and he used to do Kael'thas' voice so well. why did they make him sound so goofy in shadowlands
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edison
thank you for uploading this Athelarius, I wanted so badly to learn this myself however I am with the Night fae. Kael'thas remains one of my favourite lore characters in the game and I appreciate your video!
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thank you for uploading this Athelarius, I wanted so badly to learn this myself however I am with the Night fae. Kael'thas remains one of my favourite lore characters in the game and I appreciate your video!
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sunaxes
I can totally imagine a whole bunch of characters being offered the chance to come back to Azeroth at the end of the expansion. Blizz finally found a way to revive all the bosses they killed so far! ;p
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I can totally imagine a whole bunch of characters being offered the chance to come back to Azeroth at the end of the expansion. Blizz finally found a way to revive all the bosses they killed so far! ;p
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Glanni
Alas, poor Kael'thas. I don't know if I'm in the rage, depression, or acceptance twisted to apathy stage of grief over what they did to my favorite character.
WoW is merely a secondary timeline.
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Alas, poor Kael'thas. I don't know if I'm in the rage, depression, or acceptance twisted to apathy stage of grief over what they did to my favorite character.
WoW is merely a secondary timeline.
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MC
Kael was great and done well for his people until Illidan stopped paying attention to him and the promises he made. She on the other hand killed her own daughter.
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Kael was great and done well for his people until Illidan stopped paying attention to him and the promises he made. She on the other hand killed her own daughter.
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Cameron
Anybody else recognize Barbar Goodson's (The Accuser) voice from when she played Yuzuha in Tenchi Muyo: Daughter of Darkness? I knew it sounded familiar: D
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Anybody else recognize Barbar Goodson's (The Accuser) voice from when she played Yuzuha in Tenchi Muyo: Daughter of Darkness? I knew it sounded familiar: D
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Fusions3789
Kael'thas should be the most powerful mage in wow cause they was the first mages I'm surprise blizz made humans like jaina the most powerful
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Kael'thas should be the most powerful mage in wow cause they was the first mages I'm surprise blizz made humans like jaina the most powerful
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Robert
Shadowlands is Limbo for the dead. But I really like the sin stone idea. If you was a major asshole in life your tombstone will be huge lol.
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Shadowlands is Limbo for the dead. But I really like the sin stone idea. If you was a major asshole in life your tombstone will be huge lol.
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Okoloko
design and writing in wow is ridiculous nowadays. is like, hes lord of the blood elves. he have orbs of blood, see what we did there! .
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design and writing in wow is ridiculous nowadays. is like, hes lord of the blood elves. he have orbs of blood, see what we did there! .
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Evalora
what's the track at 11: 10? it's like 4: 10 in wrath of the lich king (wotlk expac main theme, but vocalized instead of instrumental
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what's the track at 11: 10? it's like 4: 10 in wrath of the lich king (wotlk expac main theme, but vocalized instead of instrumental
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Lee
Tfw the venthyr lady calls kael a child. that dude is ancient hes probably old enough to the the x10 great grandfather of Denathrius.
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Tfw the venthyr lady calls kael a child. that dude is ancient hes probably old enough to the the x10 great grandfather of Denathrius.
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ali
I think kaelthas now is to stronger than when he is in azeroth and blizzard whant bring him to azeroth to make up for his mistakes
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I think kaelthas now is to stronger than when he is in azeroth and blizzard whant bring him to azeroth to make up for his mistakes
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Lead
I dont mind is kael becomes a psychopath but at least let him still be friends with vashj and illidian. I rooted for them.
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I dont mind is kael becomes a psychopath but at least let him still be friends with vashj and illidian. I rooted for them.
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Animefightforum
Kael from WC3 had a much better persona and voice actor. Now he speaks like a spoiled rich brat. Man, so bad.
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Kael from WC3 had a much better persona and voice actor. Now he speaks like a spoiled rich brat. Man, so bad.
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Liskus
i really liked Keal'thas in wc3 and think its sad that WoW made him into this muppet. the sad woke shit is even worse
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i really liked Keal'thas in wc3 and think its sad that WoW made him into this muppet. the sad woke shit is even worse
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Donate
Kael'thas said he would die in-place of his people.
Kael'thas is incorruptible. So, he still works for Illidan.
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Kael'thas said he would die in-place of his people.
Kael'thas is incorruptible. So, he still works for Illidan.
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Eleceno
The sun king? Kael thas was the one who declared there would be no more kings of quelthalas jeez blizz
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The sun king? Kael thas was the one who declared there would be no more kings of quelthalas jeez blizz
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