The Plague: How Did One Village Survive? Riddle Of The Plague Survivors Timeline
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Date: 2022-07-19
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Elizabeth
Interesting, but not very accurate in some ways. The 1348 outbreak had spread from Central Asia most likely and did sightly 'downgrade' - mainland Europe had higher mortality rates than Britain. There were actually THREE variants - not, as stated two. ( Bubonic, Pneumonic and Septiceamic - the latter two 100% fatal, Bubonic was survived by people, but not many. However, one was an Italian physician, who documented it closely - Sorry, I have forgotten his name) There were frequent outbreaks for plague, almost always in the summer months, some outbreaks were more severe than others, and in 1353 ( I think) it seemed to kill more children. Many, MANY of the Eyam population died - 260 out of 350. ( Last serious outbreak in Europe was 1720 in Marseille, but the last pandemic of plague was 1855. and only declared over in 1960)
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Interesting, but not very accurate in some ways. The 1348 outbreak had spread from Central Asia most likely and did sightly 'downgrade' - mainland Europe had higher mortality rates than Britain. There were actually THREE variants - not, as stated two. ( Bubonic, Pneumonic and Septiceamic - the latter two 100% fatal, Bubonic was survived by people, but not many. However, one was an Italian physician, who documented it closely - Sorry, I have forgotten his name) There were frequent outbreaks for plague, almost always in the summer months, some outbreaks were more severe than others, and in 1353 ( I think) it seemed to kill more children. Many, MANY of the Eyam population died - 260 out of 350. ( Last serious outbreak in Europe was 1720 in Marseille, but the last pandemic of plague was 1855. and only declared over in 1960)
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Herbert
14: 15 the culprit, the HIV virus became the biggest killer since the black death
What a ridiculously untrue statement! It just kills18 million in 20 years worldwide.
Even during the 20th centry, when smallpox was eradicated by the 70s, it still killed 500 million in the world. That averages about 150 million for each 20 years
And there were MANY other diseases doing much the same since the black plagues.
In just the 18th century alone, smallpox killed 40 million in just Europe alone, and the population in Europe was a fraction of what it is today. And Europe was a small fraction of the whole worlds population.
Just the Spanish flue killed 25 to 50 million worldwide in just 2 years, and some scientists think much more than that.
So that was a curious and very untrue statement about AIDS
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14: 15 the culprit, the HIV virus became the biggest killer since the black death
What a ridiculously untrue statement! It just kills18 million in 20 years worldwide.
Even during the 20th centry, when smallpox was eradicated by the 70s, it still killed 500 million in the world. That averages about 150 million for each 20 years
And there were MANY other diseases doing much the same since the black plagues.
In just the 18th century alone, smallpox killed 40 million in just Europe alone, and the population in Europe was a fraction of what it is today. And Europe was a small fraction of the whole worlds population.
Just the Spanish flue killed 25 to 50 million worldwide in just 2 years, and some scientists think much more than that.
So that was a curious and very untrue statement about AIDS
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Karen
No offense to anyone but the historian says methods were rudimentary in the old days, and they had an advance society. We want you to know that people with means were in the small percentage who were favored. It we have any hope of getting along with China, we must give up these advanced methods. I thought it was a race, but we lost. In the Holocaust they said they did mercy killing, but it's not the type we want. If my life is painful and causes stress to others, then it isn't cruel to end it, but how? All societies are based on families, but in a harsher environment you wouldn't rely on the standard nuclear family.
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No offense to anyone but the historian says methods were rudimentary in the old days, and they had an advance society. We want you to know that people with means were in the small percentage who were favored. It we have any hope of getting along with China, we must give up these advanced methods. I thought it was a race, but we lost. In the Holocaust they said they did mercy killing, but it's not the type we want. If my life is painful and causes stress to others, then it isn't cruel to end it, but how? All societies are based on families, but in a harsher environment you wouldn't rely on the standard nuclear family.
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strattuner
the black plague was thwarted by the villagers that were stealing the real silverware off the riches tables, and they ate with the silverware and protected themselves with the colliodial silver coming off the forks knives and spoons, they are also the ones who survived, silver kills anything, viral, bacterial, antiseptic, the stuff is remarkable, and it is very powerful, the silver thieves were the ones who buried and burned most of the bodies, the stench was incredible, it absolutely had to be the silver ingested, they handled the bodies without side effects, think on that america
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the black plague was thwarted by the villagers that were stealing the real silverware off the riches tables, and they ate with the silverware and protected themselves with the colliodial silver coming off the forks knives and spoons, they are also the ones who survived, silver kills anything, viral, bacterial, antiseptic, the stuff is remarkable, and it is very powerful, the silver thieves were the ones who buried and burned most of the bodies, the stench was incredible, it absolutely had to be the silver ingested, they handled the bodies without side effects, think on that america
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Paul
Firstly it never originated in Spain. WWI was still raging and the warring nations put a blackout on any plague rumors Spain being neutral during the war was the only country reporting on it. We know now the first cases were recorded in Fort Riley Kansas. Also unusual was it was more deadly to young people than old. Not something you ever find with flu. 92% of all postmortem's carried out found cause of death was bacterial meningitis. This has been a massive cover up to this day. If America wasn't hoodwinked into joining the war millions of lives would have been saved.
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Firstly it never originated in Spain. WWI was still raging and the warring nations put a blackout on any plague rumors Spain being neutral during the war was the only country reporting on it. We know now the first cases were recorded in Fort Riley Kansas. Also unusual was it was more deadly to young people than old. Not something you ever find with flu. 92% of all postmortem's carried out found cause of death was bacterial meningitis. This has been a massive cover up to this day. If America wasn't hoodwinked into joining the war millions of lives would have been saved.
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bushmanpm
I was fortunate enough to have spent a week in the beautiful and scenic Peak District of Derbyshire a few years ago and visited Eyam. I saw the stone at the quarantine boundary where the food was left and among the many houses with their sad death toll detailed I also saw that Elizabeth's house and remember reading the stone outside detailing the deaths.
If you didn't know, from the outside Eyam is your quintessential quaint English countryside village, until you start reading the plaques outside houses naming the victims of the plague.
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I was fortunate enough to have spent a week in the beautiful and scenic Peak District of Derbyshire a few years ago and visited Eyam. I saw the stone at the quarantine boundary where the food was left and among the many houses with their sad death toll detailed I also saw that Elizabeth's house and remember reading the stone outside detailing the deaths.
If you didn't know, from the outside Eyam is your quintessential quaint English countryside village, until you start reading the plaques outside houses naming the victims of the plague.
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ABear71
Many infectious microbes require particular proteins in cell membrane surfaces to dock and cause infection. Hence, a mutation/deletion in said docking protein confers resistance or immunity. This is exactly how many ppl of Western African descent resist malaria as they often lack Duffy protein on their red cells. Malaria acted as a natural selection mechanism and ppl who could resist subsequently multiplied to pass on that mutation.
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Many infectious microbes require particular proteins in cell membrane surfaces to dock and cause infection. Hence, a mutation/deletion in said docking protein confers resistance or immunity. This is exactly how many ppl of Western African descent resist malaria as they often lack Duffy protein on their red cells. Malaria acted as a natural selection mechanism and ppl who could resist subsequently multiplied to pass on that mutation.
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Peter
I was a shopfitting contractor in the 1990s and we were building what would be called today a small supermarket in a nearby market town myself and two other joiners rented a cottage in the village of eyam one night we went for few pints at a local pup. when asked where we are staying we were told they it was called plague cottage. we had a few moor pints.
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I was a shopfitting contractor in the 1990s and we were building what would be called today a small supermarket in a nearby market town myself and two other joiners rented a cottage in the village of eyam one night we went for few pints at a local pup. when asked where we are staying we were told they it was called plague cottage. we had a few moor pints.
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Maggie
Serious question. Elizabeth would have had two copies of the mutation if she was completely immune to contracting plague. How then did all of her children contract severe illness and die? Wouldnt they have had to have inherited at least one copy of the mutation from Elizabeth, and wouldnt we expect to see partial immunity/protection in that case?
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Serious question. Elizabeth would have had two copies of the mutation if she was completely immune to contracting plague. How then did all of her children contract severe illness and die? Wouldnt they have had to have inherited at least one copy of the mutation from Elizabeth, and wouldnt we expect to see partial immunity/protection in that case?
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Hollis
Ive read accounts of people who (1) werent bitten by fleas, and (2) didnt get the disease. My husband was never bitten by fleas (or mosquitoes, so he probably wouldnt have gotten plague unless he came into contact with a pneumonic plague victim. Was the population that escaped plague similarly immune to flea bites? Would that immunity be genetic?
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Ive read accounts of people who (1) werent bitten by fleas, and (2) didnt get the disease. My husband was never bitten by fleas (or mosquitoes, so he probably wouldnt have gotten plague unless he came into contact with a pneumonic plague victim. Was the population that escaped plague similarly immune to flea bites? Would that immunity be genetic?
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education
Weird how the Virus aids wasn't discussed as being created. There is a patent (Patent Number 5, 637, 488) as same as lots of these other deadly viruses. How are these being released on the world? Who is making money from pharmaceutical relief. with no cure? Cures never make people rich. However, watered down, patentable options do.
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Weird how the Virus aids wasn't discussed as being created. There is a patent (Patent Number 5, 637, 488) as same as lots of these other deadly viruses. How are these being released on the world? Who is making money from pharmaceutical relief. with no cure? Cures never make people rich. However, watered down, patentable options do.
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Joanne
Ring a ring a roses
A pocket full of posies
A tissue A tissue
We all fall down
We all fall down
Eyam is a beautiful place go and see the village and the vinegar stone where money was washed in vinegar to help with the germs, you will see the graves of all the victims and a detailed log of the villages history.
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Ring a ring a roses
A pocket full of posies
A tissue A tissue
We all fall down
We all fall down
Eyam is a beautiful place go and see the village and the vinegar stone where money was washed in vinegar to help with the germs, you will see the graves of all the victims and a detailed log of the villages history.
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James
By definition; a, Plague, that does not abate through repeated prayers by believers and Priests, or by organized resistance is a, Pestilence.
(See, 'Oxford Dictionary': Black Death; neither prayers, nor demonstrations halted the advance of the pestilence ) Brother James Kendall Moore O. S. B.
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By definition; a, Plague, that does not abate through repeated prayers by believers and Priests, or by organized resistance is a, Pestilence.
(See, 'Oxford Dictionary': Black Death; neither prayers, nor demonstrations halted the advance of the pestilence ) Brother James Kendall Moore O. S. B.
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Karen
Not even sure now, given lie after lie after lie, that plague actually existed.
Can we see actual irifutatanle, in the hand.
Evidence please.
Not Dan Snow telling me
It doesnt cut the mustard these days.
Show us the virus isolated from any other viral. partical
Show us
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Not even sure now, given lie after lie after lie, that plague actually existed.
Can we see actual irifutatanle, in the hand.
Evidence please.
Not Dan Snow telling me
It doesnt cut the mustard these days.
Show us the virus isolated from any other viral. partical
Show us
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Tishy
Surely most of us are direct descendants of people who were immune, as the survival rate was practically zero if you caught it. No doubt there were those who never actually caught it so we can discount those as being immune. My own ancestors were all up in the far north of the UK.
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Surely most of us are direct descendants of people who were immune, as the survival rate was practically zero if you caught it. No doubt there were those who never actually caught it so we can discount those as being immune. My own ancestors were all up in the far north of the UK.
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GetReady4LiftOff
DNA test given to them to target population.
remember ppl wanting infor who they were?
now invites for DNA find ur sickness before it happens.
what happens to blood samples today, WHO is running DNA test for World health organization, China.
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DNA test given to them to target population.
remember ppl wanting infor who they were?
now invites for DNA find ur sickness before it happens.
what happens to blood samples today, WHO is running DNA test for World health organization, China.
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Paulina
It's a bit stretch from plague - bacterial ilness to HIV - virus.
And surprise me why scientist didn't look at what Villiers were eating & drinking, maybe what harbs were available to people & animals - some natural antibiotics, available in large amounts.
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It's a bit stretch from plague - bacterial ilness to HIV - virus.
And surprise me why scientist didn't look at what Villiers were eating & drinking, maybe what harbs were available to people & animals - some natural antibiotics, available in large amounts.
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Michael
This makes me wonder if there is a similar explanation for why some of the people living in central and south America weren't wiped out by the European diseases brought over by the explorers. Perhaps that's why I rarely get sick. Who knows.
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This makes me wonder if there is a similar explanation for why some of the people living in central and south America weren't wiped out by the European diseases brought over by the explorers. Perhaps that's why I rarely get sick. Who knows.
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Fred
I read years ago that an Austrian or German village did the same with regards to isolation. They too took it as a miracle and each year (or every 7 years) they hold a parade and festival celebration because they survived.
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I read years ago that an Austrian or German village did the same with regards to isolation. They too took it as a miracle and each year (or every 7 years) they hold a parade and festival celebration because they survived.
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dodgingbullets
How did the plague get into the immune system in the first place? to hijack a cell. I dont get it. no worries though. I love watching the workings of biology and the mastery of the human body.
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How did the plague get into the immune system in the first place? to hijack a cell. I dont get it. no worries though. I love watching the workings of biology and the mastery of the human body.
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