Booker T. Washington and W. E. B DuBois: Crash Course Black American History #22
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Date: 2022-04-04
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This is an awsome breakdown, but Duboi's later writings actually define clearer his writing about Black Elite Intellectuals not Black Elite Businessmen. But both Dubois & Washington somewhat agreed with the idea or at least expressed that dichotomy of Black advcmnt through dual development of the Intellect and abilities to actually, & physically working towards Industrialization. By this time of 1895 White America had spread spread its most early tenticals into Latin America since the Platt Amendment through Monroeism, & A few others that escape me. And newly arrived Europeans mainly Italians & other groups in the Southern half of the US since the 1870's. So Industrialization for Black America without controling the means of production in America the situation gets bogged down, and looses the the mass attention that it once had. Not much difference of a tactic was used in Latin America to undermine its growth and internal division. where Labor & ownership will bring you wealth despite the system against them cause they're the poor & cannot advance under existing political regims. The dream & just the dream is more tangible than the reality in which they actually exist in.
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This is an awsome breakdown, but Duboi's later writings actually define clearer his writing about Black Elite Intellectuals not Black Elite Businessmen. But both Dubois & Washington somewhat agreed with the idea or at least expressed that dichotomy of Black advcmnt through dual development of the Intellect and abilities to actually, & physically working towards Industrialization. By this time of 1895 White America had spread spread its most early tenticals into Latin America since the Platt Amendment through Monroeism, & A few others that escape me. And newly arrived Europeans mainly Italians & other groups in the Southern half of the US since the 1870's. So Industrialization for Black America without controling the means of production in America the situation gets bogged down, and looses the the mass attention that it once had. Not much difference of a tactic was used in Latin America to undermine its growth and internal division. where Labor & ownership will bring you wealth despite the system against them cause they're the poor & cannot advance under existing political regims. The dream & just the dream is more tangible than the reality in which they actually exist in.
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William
Booker T. Washington was not as separate as this episode makes him appear. Washington constantly solicited wealthy white people to support Tuskegee University. Also, he was a powerful adviser to the Republican Party about political appointments in the South.
Also, I should like to mention that one of the most brilliant men of the period was George Washington Carver of Tuskegee University. Carver advised both blacks and whites on his agricultural policies. Only foolish people ignored him.
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Booker T. Washington was not as separate as this episode makes him appear. Washington constantly solicited wealthy white people to support Tuskegee University. Also, he was a powerful adviser to the Republican Party about political appointments in the South.
Also, I should like to mention that one of the most brilliant men of the period was George Washington Carver of Tuskegee University. Carver advised both blacks and whites on his agricultural policies. Only foolish people ignored him.
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ChillsAhoy
I think it says a lot about a person when later in life they are able to see that some of their earlier views were not as progressive or helpful as they initially thought, when they change their mind. I get the impression that we're conditioned to think that changing your mind is a sign of weakness and being fickle or an opportunist; whereas it should be that if you have new information or new insight, you can and probably should change your opinion or stance.
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I think it says a lot about a person when later in life they are able to see that some of their earlier views were not as progressive or helpful as they initially thought, when they change their mind. I get the impression that we're conditioned to think that changing your mind is a sign of weakness and being fickle or an opportunist; whereas it should be that if you have new information or new insight, you can and probably should change your opinion or stance.
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elfarlaur
Reminding people that black philosophy and ideas of how to make change are not monolithic is very important. Too often people feel that if you don't agree with one view you are against progress, when in reality there have always been debates and discussions as to what is really the right way. Like any other group, black Americans are internally diverse and we should not reduce them to a simple single stream of belief, thought, or identity.
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Reminding people that black philosophy and ideas of how to make change are not monolithic is very important. Too often people feel that if you don't agree with one view you are against progress, when in reality there have always been debates and discussions as to what is really the right way. Like any other group, black Americans are internally diverse and we should not reduce them to a simple single stream of belief, thought, or identity.
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AngelHQ
Listening to the story of these two men was inspiring. They both come to the same status from different social standings and thrivein bettering their communities, wich ends up influencing the whole country.
They were not perfect, but they learned and widened their view points as they kept working on their matters.
Even if they would have succeded so much in what they were trying to do, they would have lived a good life.
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Listening to the story of these two men was inspiring. They both come to the same status from different social standings and thrivein bettering their communities, wich ends up influencing the whole country.
They were not perfect, but they learned and widened their view points as they kept working on their matters.
Even if they would have succeded so much in what they were trying to do, they would have lived a good life.
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thecaveofthedead
I feel like there's some parallel to what happened here in South Africa with the African National Congress - itself also initially put together by people who'd gone through the mission school system and included lawyers like Nelson Mandela and Oliver Tambo into the 1960s. But it became clear that it would have to become a popular movement to fight apartheid - it couldn't just rely on the most educated people.
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I feel like there's some parallel to what happened here in South Africa with the African National Congress - itself also initially put together by people who'd gone through the mission school system and included lawyers like Nelson Mandela and Oliver Tambo into the 1960s. But it became clear that it would have to become a popular movement to fight apartheid - it couldn't just rely on the most educated people.
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Tamira
They were both correct in their philosophy. Too much emphasis was put into integration that helped contribute to the economic dependency on the white population for employment. While at the same time, white supremacy was literally burning down and dropping bombs on successful communities, such as Tulsa, OK.
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They were both correct in their philosophy. Too much emphasis was put into integration that helped contribute to the economic dependency on the white population for employment. While at the same time, white supremacy was literally burning down and dropping bombs on successful communities, such as Tulsa, OK.
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Sam
Washington's failing was probably in his idealism. His ideas might have had merit if we could assume that people's attitudes towards race and acceptances has their foundations in logic. But even cursory examination shows that was certainly not the case.
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Washington's failing was probably in his idealism. His ideas might have had merit if we could assume that people's attitudes towards race and acceptances has their foundations in logic. But even cursory examination shows that was certainly not the case.
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Sean
The divergent views of these two men is similar to those of Martin Luther King and Malcolm X. They both wanted equality but each chose a separate path to obtain it.
As recent events are a stark reminder, neither achieved their goal.
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The divergent views of these two men is similar to those of Martin Luther King and Malcolm X. They both wanted equality but each chose a separate path to obtain it.
As recent events are a stark reminder, neither achieved their goal.
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Bilal
My question is why is WE Dubois thought of as the softer version of the black thinkers of the early 1900s? I feel that he was a bit more radical than Booker T Washington?
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My question is why is WE Dubois thought of as the softer version of the black thinkers of the early 1900s? I feel that he was a bit more radical than Booker T Washington?
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